Liberalism

2 November 2012 10:27AM

Response to Berchmans, 2 November 2012 10:00AM

Tunisia? Oops?

I think it's fair to say that the Tunisian revolution had little and less to do with the rest of the protests across the MENA area.

Given that Tunisia already had a fairly strong tradition of equal rights for women and minorities and was generally the most progressive Arab state (as opposed to, say, Egypt where >90% of the population are religious conservatives, and minorities were being thoroughly persecuted even under Mubarak) I can't see why the uprisings in Libya, Egypt and Syria should be grouped with events in Tunisia, as they have almost nothing in common - one being a movement for liberalism, the others movements for a different sort of authoritarianism.

The term "Arab Spring" is a bit of an absurdity, an umbrella term which does not accurately reflect the reality on the ground, which is a patchwork of distinct uprisings which don't have a great deal in common with one another.

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ukip is not welcome to ogle my sexual footage in order to resuscitate his relationship with burk. why did she leave him? 

UncleVanya

2 November 2012 10:06AM

Mr Dave's "False Promises" of a new dawn and relationship with Eurine Land. Har,Hhar - what a laugh. Eurine Land's Kommie Komic Kommizzars aux Bruxelles et Strasbourg will just ignore Mr Dave and the Limp-Dicks. As it is, One should not beleive Mr Dave about Eurine Lands and "Repatriating Powers", Mr Barosso, Mr Van Rumpledstiltskins and all the other Eurine Land "Presdients" won't wear this -- they won't want anyoone upsetting the Fiscal Gravy Train..

As it is, One still thinks that Mr Dave, along with Mr Cleggy and the Limp-Dims are all Cheer Leaders and Fifth Columnists for the EU-SSR Land.

So Mr Dave has had a bloody nose from his own backbenchers. He, like Mr Blair and Mr Brown of New Labour before them, will ignore the Publics concerns of the EU, and where it is going, Mr Dave and his coalition Cabinet have their Political Heads jammed so far up their Political Crap Orifices, that all they can hear are the sound bytes from their own Though Parps.

Perhaps Mr Dave thinks that he is Queenie Vic, and dear old Mr Cleggy is his 'Prince Albert??'

Katyia1 November 2012 11:51PM

Clegg warned that such tactics could set Britain on a path to EU withdrawal? "What you will never achieve is by stomping your foot and saying: 'Well, we want to be part of this club, but we kind of unilaterally want to rewrite the rules of the game and we want to pick and choose unilaterally what we're going to sign up to'

isn't that the idea of the treaty that you can participate in parts and not others - - -

The deputy prime minister believes Ed Milliband and Balls are using Europe in a cynical way to launch a tactical raid on the government after Labour joined forces with Tory Eurosceptics to defeat the government on the EU budget on Wednesday

okayyy - - - so they want credit for the good stuff no doubt - - -

Clegg and Cameron are united in calling for the budget to be frozen in line with inflation. Lib Dem sources were relaxed about what some saw as the curious position of the prime minister and deputy prime minister uniting around one position ? and then trading blow on another, the repatriation of powers. "We are in the centre" one source said

hmmm interesting - - - freezing budgets seems to be all the rage in the present - - - the powers thing is really missing the point - - - you can't be just in Europe or out of it depends what area of the economy you are talking about - - - we are almost looking at their emotional combers here - - -
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/01/david-cameron-nick-clegg-eu

Katyia1 November 2012 11:56PM

The budget issue will return to the fore next week when Cameron meets Merkel who on Thursday criticised Britain's threat to veto the budget if Cameron's fellow 26 EU leaders decline to accept the British proposal for a freeze at a summit later this month

you know I don't like David Cameron very much but he is looking quite sensible in this article - - -

Cameron said: "If we don't get what I consider to be a good deal for Britain I have no hesitation in vetoing the framework. But the German chancellor said after a meeting with the Irish prime minister, Enda Kenny: "I don't want to throw more vetoes into the room, it doesn't help bring about a solution."

well not the one Kenny wants anyway - - -

Downing Street believes that EU leaders are unlikely to reach agreement on the budget at a summit on 22 and 23 November. They believe negotiations will have to be postponed until next year because other countries such as Denmark are also threatening to veto the budget

riiight - - -

Clegg agrees with Cameron that Britain should opt out of some measures. But under the Lisbon treaty Britain has to opt out of all the measures and then negotiate with its EU partners which measures to opt back into it. Clegg made clear that he will not agree to the opt out until he and Cameron have agreed on which measures to opt back into

hmmm - - - I don't know I mean where we obviously have to have trading agreements with Europe do we really need them telling us how to run our legal system isn't that something individual and particular to a county or even to a city that might be incredibly different from another town - - - disciplinary measures that should be tailored to the unique offenders that you have to come in close contact with - - -
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/01/david-cameron-nick-clegg-eu
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Katyia2 November 2012 12:02AM

so are Osborn and Boris his babies then?

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• Katyia

  1 November 2012 9:02PM
  The view from Mam Tor won

  
  Mam Tor is rather bland then is it - - -

  
  How soon before these colours are�gone and the horizon is lined with turbines, as now is the Peak's northern rim, promoted unbelievably by the same�Nick Clegg whose Sheffield constituency borders this paradise? 

  
  the colours will be gone if you rape the countryside Jenkins - - -

  
  

  The first is the fungal disease threatening ash, and possibly others affecting larch and chestnut

  
  if I remember rightly some of these diseases are imported - - - 

  
  The second is confusion over the coalition's plan for onshore turbines to rise from some 3,000 today to 7,000-plus by the end of the decade. This constitutes nothing less than the mass industrialisation of the landscape

  
  oh do get a life will you turbines are no more unsightly than pylons - - -

  The losses of the great storm of 1987, heart-breaking at the time, have been more than made good

  
  really - - - not if it was your trees that were lost - - - 

  
  Countryside was considered to have no intrinsic planning virtue outside the 15% of land designated as national park or natural beauty reserve. The concept did not arise

  
  what? the concept arises very much actually just because land is not in a conservation area doesnt mean that you want it stripped and pillaged - - - 

  
  Where does that leave the turbines strung across Oxfordshire's Vale of White Horse? They have wrecked the finest view in Thames Valley

  
  I don't see a picture for that anywhere - - - 

  
  This industry has no shame

  
  !!!!!!!!!!!

  Whitehall maps each wind farm not as energy generated (let alone carbon saved) but as jobs temporarily created, as if it were a Trident submarine

  eh?

  
  The coalition government's visual legacy may yet be a British landscape littered with the carcasses of dying trees and great waving semaphores, their arms dipping into everlasting vats of public 
  money

  how does that sentence piece together ? this is an analogous crochet article - - - the carcasses are because of carelessly importing foreign diseases - - - and neglect and rape of the countryside - - - now look - - - wind turbines in moderation do not cause ecological damage and tree diseases - - - it is the big developers and prospectors that do that - - - that have no concern for local ecologies or intimate knowledge of the land like an agricultural worker would - - - that just mow stuff down and import things - - - that make big arial view maps and plans from their google earth navigators - - -

  that are truly reptilian in their lack of understanding of the vulnerability of species - - - that just splice in one gene with another willy nilly - - - that cover things in pesticides and put pressure on local people to give up their treasures - - - that strip out the loveliest knurled branches of a world where the scenery was a backdrop for gritty happenings in real life - - - is what is ugly Simon - - - not the presence of a few pylons - - - for the sake of the furry cup itself Simon please will you stop this insidious hijack of the real issues in conservation the loss of real feeling and the watered down atmosphere that muffles even the highest waves of emotion to just another blue film on the screen of history - - - bah humbug - - -

artdeco

1 November 2012 8:08PM

Response to goldenmeme, 1 November 2012 8:02PM

OK, I won't respond.
Oh.

It sounds lovely anyway.

Oven chips: yes, you can, especially if still frozen, as a dessert. The trans-fat coating is especially lovely when icy.

Post your post nuclear theory post haste. I can't respond now, as I is knackered, but still.

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THE TORY MP AND I WILL BE UP ALL NIGHT .... THE ENTITY IS NOT WELCOME TO OGLE MY FOOTAGE TO FILL ITS VACUOUS HEAD 

THE ENTITY HAS NO IDEA WHAT IT TAKES TO GET THAT CONTENT .... 

tory mp burk is not welcome to use my footage as a truffle

TruffleWednesday

1 November 2012 7:34PM

I'm pretty sure most politically active people aren't under constant surveillance.

Activists are people whose political action takes place outside our democratic structures.

If there are people out there who want to subvert the democratic process, denying those that disagree with them their rights to make their own judgement, and if there are people who want to cause disruption and damage to the lives and property of others, then keeping an eye on them sounds like good preventative policing.

There are always nutters in every generation who think they have a monopoly on virtue. Sometimes they can be dangerous.

ok here we have the core of the voice of ignorance ... i have a stress disorder i am locked into my home and not allowed to have sex and when i do it on my own people film me and use it to create sexual energy that they don't have ... sexual energy can be used for art work it is not for page 3 girls to ogle to create page 3 type calendars i don't want people to view me remotely in my bedroom joe and to use the material for anything i never invited them to if you lock someone in like this maybe there energy is more intense which is why you are really stupid and thick - - - 

• exsuscito

  1 November 2012 6:58PM
  I find it pretty funny all the self-important anti-feminist rhetoric with very poor spelling. This tells me you don't even care about your own opinion.

  As women continue to surpass males in academic success and more and more males wasting their lives away in video games, this so-called "gamer" culture is poised for a feminist take-over. You did it to yourselves guys, you could have spent your time studying law to fight back but instead video games won you over.
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• CruiskeenLawn

  1 November 2012 7:01PM
  Response to exsuscito, 1 November 2012 6:58PM

  As women continue to surpass males in academic success and more and more males wasting their lives away in video games, this so-called "gamer" culture is poised for a feminist take-over. You did it to yourselves guys, you could have spent your time studying law to fight back but instead video games won you over.

  The voice of balanced reason speaketh.