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Katyia7 November 2012 1:14AM

Response to Temulkar, 7 November 2012 12:37AM

That situation can, in the opinion of the Government and I think of all your Lordships, be eased if the Prime Minister is given the discretion to offer life peerages to those persons who feel, for various good reasons, that they cannot accept hereditary peerages to-day
I hope that the noble Viscount opposite will not chide the Government with accusations of ?tinkering?. If this is ?tinkering? whose fault is it?
For generations, Mr Davies said, the overwhelming majority in the House of Lords had been Conservative and the Conservative Party had exercised their power even though they had been in a minority in the Commons and in the country; that situation would still be maintained when the Bill became law and new life peers were created
that Members of the Second Chamber should be styled ?Lords of Parliament? and appointed on grounds of personal distinction or public service, being drawn from hereditary peers or from commoners who would be created life peers
Your Lordships have repeatedly extended a warm, though ineffective, invitation to the hereditary peeresses and I am sure that the House will be pleased that effect can now be given to its wishes
it would not have injured debating or the public-spiritedness of the Members of this chamber if this privilege to female holders of titles had been given long ago in the circumstances of the hereditary basis which have continuously existed
...the Bill is not really a reform Bill, as we see it. It leaves the Conservative majority in its overwhelming character. It leaves the present powers of the House of Lords unchanged and it gives, conveniently, an apparently slightly more respectable appearance to the House of Lords

http://web.archive.org/web/20101108203924/http://www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-library/hlllifepeeragesact1958.pdf
is that document as hilarious as its intended to be - - - and written just before the
expenses scandal too lol - - - I think they're talking about prime ministers
in general rather than Just George - - -
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• Temulkar7 November 2012 1:39AM

  
  
  Response to Katyia, 7 November 2012 1:28AM

  so the solution is to create more life peerages then boo boom - - -

  Better to have an indefensible anachronism than the idiocy put forward in this parliament. Personally I would like to see the hereditary principle ended and the Lords taken out of party control.
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  Katyia7 November 2012 1:56AM
  
  

  Response to Temulkar, 7 November 2012 1:39AM

  and yet earlier in the thread you implied that the creation of peerages
  in general was a bad thing not just hereditary ones - - -
  your comments are analogous - - - surely the life
  peerage system is not free from additives and chumliness either - - -
  http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/19301990
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